Obama on Faith Based and Community Initiatives

Straight from Barack Obama in an exclusive phone call with Relevant
Media Group's president and founder, Cameron Strang on July 1. Full
text available here.

Strang: For a variety of reasons,
Congress wouldn’t support President Bush’s Office of Faith-Based and
Community Initiatives. Why do you feel they’ll support your plan?



Obama: Based on the assessment of those who actually worked on
this in the Bush White House, part of the problem was that the Bush
Administration had a tendency to maybe politicize the office
unnecessarily. And I think that’s a mistake. I think you really have to
have an attitude that this is a program designed to help all comers,
not just those who supported you politically.



The second thing is that there has to be some very clear criteria and
accountability in these programs. I don’t think taxpayers want their
money wasted, whether it’s a faith-based or a secular program, so we’ve
got to be able to document success in whatever programs are funded.



We also want to train more sophisticated groups—the big megachurch or
Catholic Charities—to work with the small storefronts, or the synagogue
or mosque that doesn’t have as much know-how, in applying for federal
funds to be able to participate. So I think that if we make it broad,
if we have clear standards and clear principles governing the program,
if it’s not perceived as being an extension of politics but rather a
way to ensure services get to the people who need them, then I think we
can generate support from Congress.



Strang: Your plan specifically prohibits discriminatory hiring
policies based on religion. Don't you think faith-based organizations
that would otherwise want to join this program would bristle at the
limitation that they can’t hire a staff that reflects their
organization’s values?



Obama: I think it’s important to distinguish between people who
are hired as part of a church to carry out that church’s mission or
ministries, or administer the church. There’s always a religious
exemption there from Title VII. It’s important for us to make sure that
a Christian church can hire Christians or a Jewish church can hire
people of the Jewish faith. That’s different from programs that are
specifically funded by the federal government and offered to the public.



I’m going to have my Council on Faith-Based Partnerships review all our
policies, review relevant law and regulations, executive orders and
court cases. But the simple principle is that we should not
discriminate against faith-based organizations in being able to carry
out terrific programs [funded] by the federal government, but we want
to make sure that those programs are run in a nondiscriminatory manner.




And that’s not going to encroach on the ability of those faith-based
organizations to do what they need to do when it comes to their core
religious mission. They are going to be able to hire and carry out
those functions of a church, or synagogue, mosque or temple, but they
can also participate in federal programs as long as those are done in a
way that is not encroaching on a separation of church and state, is
open to the public and is not involved in proselytizing.



Strang: Not being able to proselytize through a program that receives funding—how would that be enforced?



Obama: You know, the truth of the matter is, a lot of
faith-based organizations currently are doing a great job on this
issue, and they recognize that when they are administering federal
funds, their priority has to be to provide high-quality services and
they are not interested in discriminating or proselytizing. Obviously,
there may be some who try to use these funds in inappropriate ways, but
I think that’s the tiny minority of those who really just want to serve
their communities and do the right thing.